Mr. O misleading ? how is that possible !

the Holy Father is so credulous that he took the President at face value. Have you forgotten that he gave him copies of Dignitatis Humanae and Caritas in Veritate?

"Obama apologists will immediately defend the president by arguing that his plan is about reducing the need for abortion."

How many times do we have to listen to this before we see the real facts of the statement.
He means more distribution of condoms, the morning after pills, and free vasectomies along with including Viagra as a medically approved drug under his health care plan. How benevolent!
Now do you get the picture??? This is known in the liberal agenda as giving the masses what they want.

Some of us learned the language BEFORE the election.

I think Pope Benedict is capable of dealing with Obama. Obama is a politician, with all that it entails, and to say that he is "slippery" is an understatement. Pope Benedict is not only wise, but rather shrewd, and I think he can more than hold his own with Obama.

The Holy Father isn't a stupid, out of touch old man, as much as many in the secularist world would portray him as such. He knows exactly what is going on.

This my friends is Hope & Change in action. Vatican style. Say one thing (Hope) and then proceed to do the opposite (Change).

The process President Obama follows is laid out Saul Alinsky's book. It is not about truth, it is always about progressing along the way to a better world here on earth. How this is accomplished is not the point.

-- what we didnt see is the documents finding their way to the circular file.

Of course he did. Beneditct, however, has been "around the block" a few time. So I doubt that he was much taken in by an oily tounged liar.

There have been many precedents of lies set by previous Presidents, lies to other countries, individuals, and to the American people whom they lead and represent. The previous President, for example, and the reasons for the war in Iraq. No, we don't have to look far for previous examples of this. Sadly, it seems to be becoming part of the nature of politics now. Truth is often in short supply. I'm sure the Holy Father knows this and isn't taken in by weasel words...

"And faith unfaithful kept him falsely true."

If I were Obama, I would spin it like this: (looking deeply into my teleprompter) "Although federal funding will appear to increase the number of abortions, it is clear to us that most if not all of these women would have terminated their pregnancies in unsafe and unreported ways. (switching teleprompters) Thus, it is safe to assume that the true number of abortions is not increasing -- while we are still reducing the occurrences of dangerous abortion practices, saving the lives of many impoverished women."

Does anyone else see some similarities with the President of the European Parliament in Father Elijah by Michael O'Brien?

And, no, I am not suggesting a connection with the scene towards the end of the book, just the overall persona and affect of the guy.

The Immoral (& Amoral) Take Increased Office and Position:
God is Love. We are created through Love to love. Our vocation is to love. How easily we become distracted. Jesus is God. Since God is Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end, it can be said the End of all means must always be Jesus. Recent elections have swept into public office many who support the ‘means’ of legislation and policies which result not in the ‘End’ of ‘Love’, but in ends otherwise. Unfortunately, this now includes that the ‘means’ executed in the cases of some unborn result in seeking the end of death, that is, the end of life for them. Some unborn are to be eliminated through illicit procured abortion. Tragically, some of our newest public servants have made many other appointments of like-minded confreres to positions and seats of power. How can we love and choose to kill, eliminating the unborn child, as a means to redress the unintended or undesired consequences of our own actions or a perceived problem in society? How can any country, any person, any figure of authority claim to be powerful when within they are blinded in conscience as to where true power rests? That power is given from God, through God – that being the power of Love; for He created us in Love to love. (www.tfsih.com/eNewsletter/
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What better defines us: "Who we say we are?" Or, "What we do?"

Let's not forget the dishonesty of George W. Bush and his supporters who looked the world in the eye and lied about: torture ("We don't torture"), weapons of mass destruction, civilian casualities in Iraq etc. etc.

What people say matters less than what they do.

I created my own bumper sticker that reads: "United States of America - Land of Political Morons." The body politic is in sad shape.

The purpose of torture is to get enemy combatants to talk,
and keep them alive, 100 percent of the time.
The purpose of abortion is to kill an unborn civillian
100 percent of the time.

Are they not pathological liars too? Why would the Pope take any politician at his word unless the brilliant Benedict has over the course of the last year or so slipped into his dotage?

I think that the person who said that the Pope can see the nature of our president is probably correct. He is working as our Pontiff with other state leaders - he does not choose the leaders of each state. In a democracy, the voters choose their heads of state. In the United States we elected a man (and lauded him as a great man, btw) a person who participated in a church that condoned violence against children through abortion as well as race hatred. When all of this came to the attention of the voters, Obama decided to disavow his very religion to remain in the favor of the electorate. Not only did he display poor judgement in his belief system, he disavowed his very belief system (religion)for the opportunity to lead the country. Despite how indicative these revelations were regarding his character, we still voted for him in large numbers. The Pope has no culpability in regards to naivete, we as voters have all the culpability in this case. Our Pontiff is only making the best of a bad situation we created.

It'd be nice if Obama was completely honest. That's just wishful thinking, though.

I do believe Obama will read the two books; I also believe that the Holy Father gave them with the idea that O. had not really been exposed to any clear Catholic presentation of the issues, thus pastorally giving him a CHANCE at being influenced by reason for the truth. But O. does not go by the truth; he is the ultimate politician and even should he see the force of the Church's mind most likely will not alter his political sense of maintaining power and introducing a radical change in government and thus in all America.

I'd like to think that the Holy Father made the President squirm with some uncomfortable truths.

"BY THY HOLY AND IMMACULATE CONCEPTION, O MARY, DELIVER US FROM EVIL."--Prophetic Prayer taught by Our Lady the Immaculate Virgin as Our Lady of America to Sister Mary Ephrem, Convent of the Sisters of the Precious Blood, Rome City, Indiana, 1956. (www.OurLadyofAmerica.org)

Why not he has "misled" everyone else

Obama "lies" and spins untruths to everyone else, what makes anyone think he was/'t/will not lie and speak untruths to the Pope also..... PRAY, PRAY, PRAY!!!!!!

Regretable article.
Nobody wants to increase abortion.
The strategy by Obama for decreasing it might not make sense...

You can argue and explain why you think Obama is fooling himself
but don't go pretend Obama can fool the Pope.

This is the kind of polarization that doesn't help anybody.

Anyone who looked honestly at President Obama's record, his educators, his minister, and his comrades before the 2008 Election is not surprised at the direction in which his Administration is taking America; besides, governments do not prevent murder, they only decide who may legally be killed.

Reading these comments, I am reminded the shadow of the cross accomodates harsh words from many angles.

I agree with most of what you say, although I have to take issue with the statement that more money guarantees 240,000 to 420,000 more abortions. Abortions are not something the government is buying with this money at a fixed price. I think we can all agree that more money for abortions equals more abortions, but will a 20% increase cause a 10% increase or a 50% increase in abortions, only time will tell.

On the one hand a woman isn't going to say "hey, abortions just got 20% cheaper, let's get pregnant and have another one!" On the other hand, more money to abortion to PP might enable them to put on a big ad campaign that nets them 50% more abortions.

You have a great argument, don't dilute it with numbers not supported by facts.

...and as for misleading the Holy Father, that was no doubt Obama's intent, but I don't for a minute think Pope Benedict would take his words as truth. As another commenter pointed out, the fact that he gave Obama a copy of "Dignitatis Humanae" is evidence of his opinion.

Obama being seen with the Pope, Vicar of Christ on earth plays well with those easily confused and misled. The president did what new presidents are expected to do: make a call on the Pope.

Obama was elected to a huge degree because of millions of dollars from the pro-abortion industry. He has a debt to pay back to his supporters, which makes it virtually impossible for him to recognize and endorse the protection of innocent, defenseless life as vitally important. Look for more legislative proposals that further, rather than impede, the Culture of Death in the US.

The Pope is light years ahead of the president in intellectual brilliance who knew well who he was dealing with. Pray for the conversion of our president and members of our federal government.

Pope B is no fool for the likes of Obama.

Specific response to Chris re: "Nobody wants to increase abortion. The strategy by Obama for decreasing it might not make sense..."

I think that this is not the issue with Obama. The real issue is that Obama doesn't care one way or another about abortion, what he cares about is the political backing and campaign money he gets for making sure nobody implements a strategy for decreasing abortions.

Here's a real program for Obama to decrease abortions:

(1) Pool all tax money going to both abortion providers and pro-life alternatives like Crisis Pregnancy Centers, Adoption Agencies, etc and add up the sum.
(2) Divide the sum in 3 parts - give two-thirds to pro-life organizations, and one-third to abortion providers...because, if Mr. Obama wants to decrease abortions, changing his budget priorities to favor pro-life charities will clearly achieve his stated aims.
(3) After 1-2 years, eliminate all tax money going to abortion providers, and simply let pro-abortion tax payers like Mr. Gore and Mr. Biden support abortion with their 'charitable' contributions. If Mr. Obama recalls the 'charitable' contributions disclosed by Mr. G and Mr. B in their tax returns, he can be confident that abortions will drop off steeply once they are backed exclusively by pro-abortion supporters.

The Pope was not fooled by Obama. Obama fooled many in this country but as many were not fooled by him.

Deal,
You should go to confession after writing this post....You know what you wrote is a gross distortion of the truth because you know how the legislative process and how the Executive branch interacts with that process...and I believe you have been monitoring this process very cloesely.

Nothing has been signed, the White House gave broad range to what it would support in a health care bill, but retains the power at this point to decide via a committee what ends up in any federal benefits package. He appointed a Catholic who has received a high award from the Pope to play a key role in that process.

The President has not pushed for federal funding of abortion in this health care package and you know it. To say that the President lied to the Pope is a lie and you know it.

I know you are trying to stir up your political base with your deceptions and move them from being conservatives to partisans, but you should be honest in your efforts.

BDK, thank you for calling out the lies. Just a few months ago, I read here that Obama signed (the phantom) FOCA.

The leader of the Culture of Life met the leader of the Culture of death.

Sort of like the Creator (God) meeting the destroyer (the devil).

The sooner people look at this situation in a supernatural light the better off, and more prepared they will be.

Obama is perfectly possessed. See this month's New Oxford Review.

Amen Anne!
This is most certainly a spiritual battle. Obama is representing the Father of Lies for whom he is a pawn (either willingly or unknowingly.) Prayer and fasting is the Christian's weapon--on Holy Rosary Beads in unity with Our Lady's Immaculate Heart. St. Joseph, terror of demons, pray for us.

DOUG MOORE:
The process President Obama follows is laid out in Saul Alinsky's book. Yes, both Clinton and Obama were students of the book. Clinton wrote a college thesis on the book. Obama lived the book, applying its principles to organizing communities in Illinois. He taught it.

At a time when the left’s new slogan is “Jesus Christ was a community organizer and Pontius Pilate was a governor,” it is helpful to remember that Alinsky dedicated Rules for Radicals to Lucifer -- that is, Satan. Alinsky considered Satan the first radical.

The opening chapters of Genesis make clear Satan was the first community organizer. He convinced Adam and Eve that the man put them down. To empower them, Satan encouraged them to eat the apple. The results speak for themselves.
Certainly Obama or Hillary Clinton can not easily feign ignorance concerning their beloved mentor.


BDK:
It has been reported that the new Surgeon General who recieved the Papal award in 2006 believes that all doctors should be taught abortion procedures & how to perform them. Her Papal award should be taken away...she will still have the American Medical Assoc. award. It is disgusting that the AMA sees abortion (murder/infanticide) as a "health" benefit.

That many "Catholics" hold inumerable high political & health-related Gov. positions & support the violence of abortion which not only murders a child, hurts the mother emotionally, psychologically and physically (link to breast cancer) and devastates & erodes the family ultimately leading to the breakdown of society--is tragic; indeed shameful. Their every action demonstrates that they do not understand what a true public servant is for they do not genuinely respect the human person nor his/her inherent God-given dignity nor do they protect family life & striving for the common good. If they believe their actions to stem from compassion, then may God rescue us & them from such deception.

"Nobody wants to increase abortion."

I'm seeing this statement more and more. Citation, please? If you would delve at all into the writings of population control advocates, e.g. the president's choice for 'science czar,' you would see that there are plenty of people who advocate an increase in abortions. Abortionists would probably be pleased with an increase in abortions.
Yesterday was my town's annual sidewalk sale, and I was vending at the sale. There were, as you might suspect, lots of little children running around among the crowds of shoppers. Two surly-looking, tattooed & pierced teenage girls were trying to (unwisely) hurry through the crowd but were slowed down by the children running and playing. One of them snorted, rolled her eyes and said (I'm not making this up),"I love abortion."
Yes, it was probably just an attempt at a clever remark made in extremely bad taste, but you have to admit it reflects a mindset.

I doubt the Holy Father is concerned with this. He most likely takes what US Presidents say with a grain of salt. He and JPII were decieved on Iraq, and have always been decieved on abortion by the US, and so many more issues.

Visits to the Holy See are nothing more than photo ops for campaigns for Presidents.

He said he would work to reduce abortions, that's all
And that is a lot of wiggle room. He is funding abortion
and giving a trickle I imagine, to Alexia Kelly or whatever
her name is, to reduce abortion.
With abortion getting a green light by this administration,
yes, pro-lifers will have lots of work to do.

The man aggresively supports infanticide in the cruelest possible manner -witholding of nutrition and hydration and we are worrying about respect for the pope and dishonesty?


Why should people who call the right to slaughter innocent life a constitutional right, and unborn babies, mere fetal tissue, ever be considered honest in the first place?

Pope Benedict lived in Germany during the reign of Adolf Hitler. He knows evil when he sees it and I am sure he recognized it when he met Obama.

Didn't 52% of Catholic voters vote for Obama? Even with his most liberal voting record on abortion? All the crying about Obama from Catholics now just amaze me.

A number of posters are absolutely confident that Pope Benedict XVI was not "taken in"; they express their confidence with such phrases as "he's been around the block a time or two."

Well, I have known plenty of people both young and old, even ones whose life experiences should have inured them, who were gulled even by characters far less charismatic than Obama.

My question is this: Is there any measurable basis for confidence that the Pope was not fooled?

To break it out a bit:

1. Are there any previous examples of the Pope being lied to by charming and convincing politicians, on this or similar issues, in which he was able to discern that it was a ruse -- not just too late when it no longer mattered, but early enough to derail to that politician's plans, thereby illustrating that he hadn't been fooled?

2. Has any action by the Pope since the Obama meeting indicated an awareness of not being fooled?

I apologize for the skepticism, but I don't want to mistake my hope that the Pope wasn't fooled, for actual reason to believe he wasn't fooled.

"Some Catholic supporters of Obama are urging Senate Democrats to take the abortion provisions out of the health-care package."

I'm sorry, I don't understand the shock and dismay. Everyone who voted for Obama knew he was pro-abortion when they voted for him. What were they expecting?

Obama knows no shame. He flat out lied to the Pope. He doesn't care what the Holy Father says or teaches. He delights in pitting Catholics against"catholics".

The facts were clear before the election (1) Obama is pro-abortion and (2) his lofty rhetoric rarely matches his action. Yet Obama received 54% of the Catholic vote, encouraged by the likes of shameless Douglas Kmiec.

There is a deep fundamental problem, and it is not Obama. Obama is acting consistent with what any reasonably objective person would have expected.

Catholic Obama supporters should have known better than to vote for him. The hope and change hasn't helped anyone, particularly the unborn. Are there really people out there that honestly think that Obama cares what the Pope says or how he feels? If you do, then you are naive!

once there is enough abortions the population is low enough there wont be enough people to have as many abortions.

The writer wrote: "You can't do that!" will be exactly the reaction of most of America's Catholics..."

Let me assure you that Catholics will do no such thing. Ask yourself, when was the last time you heard a full sermon about abortion? Truly, when did you?

I live in Santa Fe, NM, a pretty liberal place. If about 65% of Catholics nationwide support abortion rights OR at least go along with it, according to polls, imagine the proportion of abortion supporters in my town. Yet, you hear almost nothing about such a serious sin from the pulpit. My wife and I attend the cathedral basilica. The rector there, a monsignor, has never uttered the word "abortion," in the ten years I've been around him. Of course, I can't say I've been to every mass of his, but I can say I've never heard him say the word.

The fact is, about 53% of Catholics voted for Obama. Hey, no one can say they "didn't know" Obama loves abortion. So they voted for an abortion lover because they thought he was going to give them money, a job or whatever. They will NOT turn on Obama because Obama lied to the pope. I think most Catholics I know would say it's the pope's fault if he's stupid enough to believe Obama would reduce abortions.

This is so sad, isn't it? Maybe some day we'll have more than a handful of priest and bishops with the courage to speak out.

Re: Question: "Ask yourself, when was the last time you heard a full sermon about abortion?"

Answer: Good question. Never.

I attend several Catholic Churches weekly and abortion NEVER is a topic of the sermon. Priests are too concerned about offending. What a shame!

It should be a topic of the sermon at least once a month. And, if every week the frivolous "announcements" were eliminated in place of a discussion on the atrocity of abortion, the Church and our country would be much better off.

Man,

He's going to have a rough time at his next confession, eh?

Oh well, I guess we'll just have to add Benedict XVI to the long list of Folks that Mr. Obama has felt the need to lie to...

Archbishop Burke is in Rome now and is briefing the Holy Father about American politics and politicians...the Holy Father was not fooled by Obama...

Let Me Be Clear Holy Father [a lie is coming...]

OK, the loss of human life as a result of increased abortions is huge and abominable! This analysis is missing an equally tragic and much larger loss of human life as a result of Obamacare: The Elderly. There is no doubt about it: Obamacare will shorten the lives of many, if not most, Americans as a result of health care rationing. He even admitted it during his infomercial. Obamacare is ONE CHANGE we do not need or want.

I urged all to contact their congress man or woman and their senators this weekend or no later than Monday. Please tell them you do not want abortion to be covered in this healthcare bill. From what I have heard they are not using the word abortion but the meaning is there. This is happening so quickly. Please take time and e-mail your representatives before it is too late. They want to pass this bill before they leave on vacation. I fear for our country. Please continue to pray for the conversion of these politicans and so-called Catholics who pick and choose what their faith represents.

Check out this link: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/jul/09072110.html

The white house press spokesman confirmed that Obama had given the same speech to PP in 2007 as the one he used on the Pope.

Please, all people who are concerned about the direction this country is taking, join us in the 12 million rosary campaign for the conversion of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. Our Lady of Fatima requested it of us to pray for our Holy Father along with all the Bishops of the world.for this to be done. We need all of the rosaries said as soon as possible

Why should we have to pay to kill more people a year, than the Nazis killed during WWII? We have to take action.

Stephen B. Wise, do not even begin to compare this president with the previous occupant of the White House! George W. Bush did more for the pro-life, pro-family movement from the bully pulpit of the presidency than any president in history, with the arguable exception of perhaps Ronald Reagan.

To refute your kool-aid laced falsehoods:

We did not torture. The legal memos from attorneys such as John Yoo explicitly described how far enhanced interrogation techniques could go without violating the Geneva Conventions (which do not apply to illegal enemy combatants in the first place!) and crossing the line into torture. Your definition of torture, Mr. Wise, does not make it the law.

If George W. Bush lied about WMD, then so did such individuals as:

Tony Blair of the United Kingdom
Gerhard Schroder of Germany
Jacques Chirac of France
Silvio Berlusconi of Italy
Jean Chretien of Canada
John Howard of Austalia
Abdullah Gul and Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey
Kofi Annan and Hans Blix of the United Nations

There are more, of course, who all believed Saddam Hussein not only had WMD but was likely to use them...AGAIN. Poor Mr. Wise must be reminded Hussein had already used WMD in the Iraq/Iran War.

As for the civilian casualties in Iraq, getting exact numbers was beyond unlikely, it was impossible using the statistical measures employed by, among others, the International Red Cross (witness the large disparity in numbers among different organizations). As none of these bean counters understood the familial/tribal society, reasonable estimates put actual civilian casualties at a tenth of what the IRC reported. And, lest we forget THE TRUTH: Mr. "Wise," it was not coalition forces (particularly American soldiers/marines/sailors/airmen) killing civilians...it was Al Qaida in Mesopotamia, led by Abu Musab Zarqawi, doing the killing.

Mr. Wise, should you wish to enter into discussions/debates such as these in the future, you would be better served by arming yourself with the FACTS and not the rantings of the left-wing moonbat coalitionat the Daily Kos. You, "sir," have revealed to us all nothing but your ignorance of the subject at hand.

That being said, I will pray for your eyes, ears, and heart to be opened. May you find peace in God.

This is one of the most serious topic today for HEAVEN IS WATCHING.
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